Mr. Berli, the digitalization of sovereign tasks always raises security concerns. How did you dispel them?

A great advantage was that we were part of SIX: In Switzerland, SIX operates the stock exchange and its development, handles the payment system of the Swiss National Bank, all the credit card business, et cetera. For that reason, SIX is a super place for this topic. For instance, the proxy servers are very secure, and their administration is outstanding. At least once a year, a penetration test is conducted, meaning a targeted attempt to get into our systems. So far, we have passed every test. We have also integrated a very good security and rights model, which was coordinated with the cantons. All these factors helped us greatly in our efforts to persuade the stakeholders.

Nowadays, the whole world seems to be talking about blockchains. What do you think about using them in the land register system?

We have observed that countries with less stable conditions are utilizing blockchain technology in their land register system. In contrast, in countries like Switzerland, I hardly see any advantages. Besides, the intention is to progress step by step. After all, public administration must first ensure that there are no problems. Making changes that are too drastic is not always a good idea in this area.

Key word persuasion: How did you manage to get new approaches and technologies into public administration?

The decisive thing was that we always sought a dialog. We drove to every corner of Switzerland, sat down with people, and talked. Together with the cantons, we founded a company and thus created a structure for further development, in which all stakeholders are represented. That is helpful in finding consensus. In the final analysis, Terravis is a positive example of how digital public administration can succeed if people talk with one another.

Mr. Berli, thank you for talking with us!